Friday, September 12, 2008

Commemorating 9/11: Offensive to some European Muslims

From the Iconoclast:

Yesterday evening youths in Kuregem, an immigrant neighbourhood of Brussels, threw stones at buses of the Flemish public transport company De Lijn. No passengers got hurt though the buses, heading for Flanders, the Dutch-speaking area surrounding Brussels, were damaged and windows were shattered. The youths were said to be angry because earlier in the day Flemish politicians had tried to hold a vigil for the victims of the 2001 9/11 attacks in Manhattan.

Update:

Here is a very different perspective on the seven year anniversary of the attack on World Trade Center in New York. Nasser Khader is a Danish Muslim, immigrant of Syrian background, and member of the Danish parliament. He has opposed radical Islam in his country, often at great personal risk and is now chairman of the political party Liberal Alliance:

Islamism is the Racism of Our Time:

"Today, on the 7th anniversary of 9/11, we face the fact that the War on Terror is not won. It is, however, not lost either. ... while the democratic world, using its superior firepower, has been able to keep the terrorists at bay, ... we have not launched in a similar decisive fashion.. the battle against political Islam.

...Everywhere the Islamists are advancing. Their influence.... is advancing on all levels on a daily basis.

Islamism as a political ideology is now a more serious threat against democracies than the violent terrorism that Al-Qaeda have been advancing... the very values that our soldiers fight for in Afghanistan are repressed. Freedom of expression is the first to go, and freedom of religion with it. ...

Islamism is the racism of our time. It can be said no more clearly than this. And as such, a united democratic world must turn against Islamism — not seeking ‘dialogue’ or ‘understanding’, but in rejection and concrete resistance.

... the United Nations conference on racism... Durban II in Geneva... is being hijacked by Islamic countries to support Sharia...

I believe that the Danish government should use Durban II to propose a condemnation of political Islam as a racist ideology....

The Islamists’ assaults and threats against authors, cartoonists, and other intellectuals, who challenge their monopoly on the right teaching, are increasing in strength...

...There exist religious practices that are not compatible with fundamental human rights. Islamism is one of those, and must therefore be fought.

....If our souls are lost to the Islamists, we will eventually lose the War on Terror. Democracy must learn to strike hard.



Update II: Norwegian social drinking as an impediment for Muslim integration

"Muslims want to have alcohol free days in discos. There should be some days when people can go to restaurants and discos where there's a total ban on alcohol," says Naeem.

Hege Storhaug of Human Rights Service rejects such a proposal. "

"All the time they have special rules, and we reject special requirements. We get a split up society and Islam get more place in the public sphere. people force religious opinions on others. In the most extreme consequence it leads to the Islamization of society," says Storhaug to iOslo.no. "All the time it's Muslims who come with special requirements. We never hear a peep from Catholics, Jews, Hindus etc."

13 Comments:

At 11:31 PM EDT, Blogger Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf said...

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At 4:49 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

belgium is a safe country and no need to cry with america on 9/11 and cause politicization of this event like america and israel and their media cheerleaders do.

long live belguim away from american crap and a safe society with great heritage and peacfull living.


arabian

 
At 4:50 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

by the way property in belgium is on the low cycle so if muslims in belgium want to by its the right time.

arabian


and thanx for the post

 
At 4:54 PM EDT, Blogger The Contentious Centrist said...

"belgium is a safe country"

Safe for whom?


"The partition of Belgium, or the dissolution of the Belgian State through the separation of the Dutch-speaking peoples of the Flanders region from the French-speaking peoples of the Walloon Region, granting them either independence or respective accession to the Netherlands and France, is recurrently discussed in Belgian and international media.[1][2][3][4][5] The concept is rooted in the long-standing ethnic and socio-economic tensions between the two communities as well as the geographic and cultural continuity of Wallonia with France and that of Flanders with the Netherlands."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Belgium

 
At 5:07 PM EDT, Blogger The Contentious Centrist said...

Do you think, Arabian, that Arab or Muslim immigrant youths should dictate to Europeans whom to respect and commemorate? What else do europeans have to do, in order to ensure that that Arab or Muslim immigrant youths do not throw stones on their buses and houses? Have you any suggestions? Would Abu-Dhabi tolerate foreign workers behaving likewise on its streets?

What have the Beligians done to these immigrants that they should be thus be abused with violence and hatred?

I want to thank you for leaving your comments here. Nothing like a comment from someone of your thinking to sharpen the points made here.

 
At 6:15 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

belgians are respectful people and they didnt bomb or invade any country.

they dont deserve anything bad.


(by the way my eyes where tearing when you said belgians didnt do anything for their bus to get thrown by stones)<< kidding

iraqis also where economically besieged for more than ten years.






ok and if they Commemorate 9/11 then its their right......

my point was belgium doesnt need to cause problems by Commemorating 9/11. ( an advise)

ok so in the end........... Euroabia. I get it believe me.
and its your right to hate or love or respect any people of the world, but facts stay facts...thats what we share.


so thanx ..... thats all I say to all people of the world.


arabian

 
At 7:00 PM EDT, Blogger The Contentious Centrist said...

Why should commemorating 9/11 cause problems for Belgium? In what way does it provoke the ire of the Muslims in Europe? Why are you advising Belgians to ignore 9/11? What are the consequences of ignoring your advice? What else should the Europeans ignore in order to curry favour with Arabs and Muslims?

Am I to assume that you are reflecting the popular opinion of your culture or you are speaking strictly for yourself?

 
At 8:09 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it doesnt cause a problem directly Mrs.Noga.

to commemorate any event, be it nagazaki and heroshima, holocaust or any other disaster.

but when the media uses it to make war on other countries legitimate, this is where we have problems.


so why shouldnt for example nigeria commemorate the heroshima events.

1) because its not nigerian people problem
2) there is no intention to politicize the event



In summery.

Belgium is a free country and I condemnd throwing the bus with rocks ....... belgians are free to do what they think is right and appropriate to their society, I was just advising them not to jump in "the war on terror" boat.....not because they will be attacked...but because keeping away is safer for them and the headaches of it.

and muslims who throw stones should be taken to the prison.

thats all.

arabian


and ofcourse answering your last respectifull question ...I am always speaking for myself.

 
At 10:14 PM EDT, Blogger The Contentious Centrist said...

"so why shouldnt for example nigeria commemorate the heroshima events.

1) because its not nigerian people problem"

Have you ever heard of Jonne Donne?

"No man is an island, entire of itself
every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main
if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were,
as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were
any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind
and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls
it tolls for thee."

Don't Muslims have a concept of universality?

 
At 2:06 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont now johnne but I will try to know him in the future if time permits.


so yes I believe in unversality , so then lets develope a univerale meaning for terrorism and define it in the UN.


an example is there are state backed terroism which th media doesnt call terrorism.

thats a big field we should foucus on to be truley universal nt on paper only we declare we are unvirsale and that nobody is isolated.


I am focusing on terroism and unvirsalis because this is the main topic of this discusion.

I will give an example.


Korea was developing a nucuer bomb for example couple of years ago.
america didnt focus alot on this matter.

while on the otherhand Thousands of Un inspectius in iraq didnt fing a single clue to developing MDW.eve after the war on iraq

so in the end is highness Goerge bush invented relaton between iraq and al qaeda and said there is a link between them, and the media cheerleaders clapped for him and gave him the "go ahead: to invade iraq.


so here the world was broken apart on the war and its legatimicy, because not all nations are agreeing on the defenition of terroism.

so...... we should work on a defenition of terrorism if we really call ourself universall and nobody is isolated.


because there are people and countries who exploit the "terrorism" for their interests.

like when sharon stuck his nose on the war on terroism and used 9/11 to call yaser arafat a terroists.




arabian

 
At 2:09 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MDW=WMD

weapons of mass destruction

 
At 7:00 PM EDT, Blogger The Contentious Centrist said...

Arafat was not a terrorist? That's news to me. Soon you'll be telling me that Palestinian terrorists are freedom fighters and the delberate targeting of Jewish babies on Israeli buses or in their fathers' arms- a legitimate act of liberation.

Anyway, why are you bringing terrorism into this thread?

I thought we were discussing universality. Do you know what it means? Can you give me some idea of how you define universality? How does Islam define universality? What is the golden rule in Islam, do you know? Can you quote the verse in the Quran where the golden rule is spelled out?

 
At 12:22 PM EDT, Anonymous TNC said...

Arabian, Belgium is divided along ethno-national lines (Flemish versus Walloon) that have the potential to divide the country in two. If it were another country (India) it would be referred to as communalism. If it were another continent (Africa) it would be termed tribalism.

Also, FYI, Belgium practiced the most racist and brutal form of European colonialism. What they lacked in colonial territory, they more than made up for with viciousness and barbarism, including amputating the hands of those who did work hard enough:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_colonial_empire

“Leopold II exploited the Congo for its natural rubber which was starting to become a valuable commodity. His regime in the Congo operated as a forced labour colony, with murder and mutilation as punishment for villagers who did not collect and supply the rubber quota they were given. It is estimated that millions of Congolese died during this time.”

 

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