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posted by The Contentious Centrist @ Sunday, September 07, 2008
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Of course, a list could be made of similarly cherry-picked horror stories of Jewish religious intolerance.
For the sake of politeness, I'll refrain from making it.
Hell, no, I won't refrain a single bit! Look:
A member of a Jewish "modesty patrol" threw acid on a Jewish girl's face because she was immodestly dressed:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3552461,00.html
A woman was beaten to a pulp because she refused to sit in the back of an ultra-Orthodox bus:
http://haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=801449&contrassID=19
A woman and a soldier were savagely beaten by Orthodox Jews for sitting together on a bus:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380613550&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Several women were knocked to the ground and one suffered a gash on her neck when a Hasidic man threw a heavy metal chair at their heads because they were females praying at the Wailing Wall:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7361060
Jewish settlers poisoned a Palestinian well on the West Bank by dumping a chicken carcass into it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040822135907/http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9734
Jewish settlers poisoned another Palestinian well on the West Bank by dumping used diapers (nappies) into it:
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/science/water_feature/water_wars.html
Rabbi Perrin says one million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ ful...750C0A962958260
State-paid Rabbi Dov Lior issues a fatwa against employing Arabs:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/ 966208.html
Ariel Sharon incites Jews to grab West Bank land during peace negotiations:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ful...n=& pagewanted=7
State-paid Rabbis David and Yitzchak Batzri (the rabbis who prayed by Ariel Sharon's hospital bed) say Arabs are beasts and asses, a misfortune, a problem, Satan, evil, cruel and the scum of snakes:
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=c...clnk&cd=2& gl=ar
State-paid Rabbi Eliyahu Bakshi-Doron claims that marriage between Jews and non-Jews is comparable to a Holocaust:
http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nln...31911& ct=858893
State-paid Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu calls for killing the children of a terrorist:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/ 968729.html
The same state-paid Rabbi Eliyahu issues a fatwa against selling or renting apartments to Arabs:
http://www.aad-online.org/2005/e...-10/aad3/ 1.html
State-paid Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, leader of the influential Sephardic party Shas, calls Palestinians "snakes":
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ WOR...el.holocaust.ap
The same state-paid Rabbi Yosef calls for the annihilation of Arabs in a sermon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/ 1270038.stm
Binyamin Netanyahu says that the destruction of the Twin Towers in NYC was "beneficial" for Israel:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/ 975574.html
State-paid Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger calls for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yon...ki/ Yona_Metzger
The Arrangement Yeshivot association of West Bank rabbis says that the Halakha (Jewish religious law) commands the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians if this helps to save Jews:
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=c...lnk&cd=12& gl=ar
Gush Katif rabbis poison young souls with the hatred of Arabs:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hase...r& itemNo=613272
Mr. Yusuf, save the nonsense for Comment is Free. When Orthodox Jews start blowing themselves up in Palestinian shwarma stands, your comparison will be apt. Until then...
TNC: I wouldn't get into a sweat over IBIBNY. He calls himself by that name and says "things someone called Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf would be expected to say.".
On another blog he appeared as Avraham Ben Yosef, but half way through the thread morphed into Ibrahim.
http://elcomandante.wordpress.com/2007/01/02/diccionario-para-entender-el-conflicto/#comment-1070
And he thinks there is nothing wrong in manufacturing an identity for himself:
http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/2008/09/munich-september-5-1972-story-is-well.html
He is a sad case, supposedly a linguist or something, engaged in pretend games over the Internet.
Contentious: Your citing a blog in a language you don't understand, and which does not say what you want it to say, is an indication of how low standards have sunk on the Internet.
Mr. TNC: Do the names Baruch Goldstein and Eden Natan Zada ring a bell?
"Then Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon condemned Natan-Zada's actions unequivocally, calling them "a reprehensible act by a bloodthirsty Jewish terrorist," and "a deliberate attempt to harm the fabric of relations among all Israeli citizens." Vice Premier Shimon Peres and Interior Minister Ophir Pines-Paz visited the bereaved families. "Your pain is the pain of the entire State of Israel. We will not allow crazy men and terrorists to harm your life here," Peres told the families. Sharon's government has consistently referred to the shooting as "an act of terrorism," language usually reserved for Palestinian suicide bombers.[6]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Natan-Zada#Reactions
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""He has returned to a hero's welcome . . . After 29 years in [an] Israeli prison, Samir Kuntar spent his first day of freedom vowing to continue to fight against Israel. He says he hopes to see the enemy again very soon."
Then came Kuntar's birthday party, initiated by Al Jazeera's bureau in Beirut and aired on Al Jazeera TV July 19 (translation by the Middle East Media Research Institute). There was orchestral music, a huge birthday cake and infinite admiration by the Al Jazeera bureau chief announcing: "Brother Samir, we would like to celebrate your birthday with you. You deserve even more than this . . . Happy birthday, brother Samir."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121884481129346039.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
BTW, I know Spanish well enough to understand that you are a half-Jew who wants to pretend he is an Arab and I know there is no cure for this disorder:
"He has allowed himself to be persuaded by the anti-Semites; he is the first victim of their propganda."
Who said that?
Sharon's government has consistently referred to the shooting as "an act of terrorism," language usually reserved for Palestinian suicide bombers.
Of course, no one's saying Sharon is stupid or isn't aware of the Western requirement of political correctness.
The real test as to whether Sharon considered Zada a terrorist or not, however, is whether he did what is done after a Palestinian terrorist blows himself up.
And no, Sharon did not demolish the Jewish terrorist Zada's home.
BTW, I know Spanish well enough to understand that you are a half-Jew
A curious statement, since nowhere on the Internet is it said in Spanish that I'm a half-Jew. You're referring to an English-language comment by an annonymous commenter (watch your sources!) connecting me to a university teacher in an apparent effort to slander him.
Actually, you seem to have no Spanish at all. When you visited my blog, for instance, you had to use an automatic translation program which produced an inaccurate translation, and you relied on that flawed version to incorrectly criticize one of my posts. See here.
But since you seem to be convinced that I'm a half-Jew (a nonexistent category in Judaism, by the way), I'll be curious: what nickname do you suggest I use? "Yitzchak Carlos," for instance, which would be "half-Jewish"? "Yaacov Diego"? "Moshe Javier"?
I'll be waiting for your orders. Believe me, I'll heed you, but up to now I haven't been able to decipher what I should call myself in order to satisfy you.
There may be other reasons for using an automatic translator...
Your individual self is simply not interesting or relevant. What is relevant is your need to pass yourself off as a Jew or an Arab. Even more relevant is your ethically-challenged inability to differentiate between using a descriptive nickname and calling yourself by a Jewish or an Arab name in order to deceive your readers.
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Demolitions of terrorists' houses are perceived as punishment but are probably more of a deterrant and a warning. It has been conceived so due to the very broad sympathy that terrorists enjoy among Palestinians, and Palestinians are Israel's enemy.
Israelis are not considered enemies of the state of Israel, nor have they shown much sympathy for the likes of Goldstein and Zada for there to be a need to deter them from emulating such an atrocity.
You still don't answer my question.
Let us suppose I want to learn from past mistakes and use a pseudonym that won't deceive innocent souls like yours -- a pseudonym that accurately reflects what I am and what I'm not. What should that pseudonym be?
nor have they shown much sympathy for the likes of Goldstein and Zada
Really? This story and video would suggest otherwise.
I don't think you want to learn from your mistakes. In order to do so you first have to acknowledge the error of your ways. Once you have achieved that level of self-enlightenment, I'm sure you will be able to manage without my help.
Until you do, you are kindly requested not to leave your trolling comments on my blog.
Of course I don't want to learn from my mistakes because I didn't make the mistakes you claim I made. It was just a supposition for the sake of argument designed to test, among other things, your sincerity.
All right, I won't comment any more on your blog, as you request, but I'm left with the impression that it has nothing to do with my nickname and everything to do with my telling uncomfortable truths and making arguments difficult to refute.
"Mr. TNC: Do the names Baruch Goldstein and Eden Natan Zada ring a bell?"
Apparently you are unaware of the difference between exceptions and rules. Next thing you'll bring up the Irgun and Lehi as if they represented the mainstream of the Zionist movement. Hamas, by contrast, represents the Palestinian mainstream. Thank goodness people are finally getting hip to this.
Mr. TNC: I will make no further comments on this site, as I promised to TCC, but I'll be delighted to continue the debate on my blog, where I discuss this subject and respond to your points.
JERUSALEM // Scrawled across a wall on a busy main street is the statement in Hebrew: “Fashion equals promiscuity”. For women in some Israeli communities, such public sentiments are not simply idle graffiti – they are a warning, and one that is increasingly backed by threats of physical violence.
Israel’s ultra-Orthodox Jews, religious fundamentalists who believe it is more important to follow their interpretation of God’s precepts than abide by Israeli laws, choose to live in separate neighbourhoods and towns, often close to the holy sites of Jerusalem.
Known locally as Haredim (literally, “God-fearing people”), they are the fastest growing community in Israel – and already comprise one-tenth of the population. The men are recognisable by their attire – a uniform of black hats or skullcaps, with black suits worn over white shirts – that dates to the community’s roots in eastern Europe several hundred years ago.
But faced with what they see as the threat of modern culture, sections of the Haredim are demanding a more rigorous enforcement of Jewish religious laws, or halakha. Under the label of “modesty patrols”, groups of ultra-Orthodox men are turning into vigilantes, targeting in particular Haredi women whose behaviour they disapprove of.
Reports of women being attacked on the street or in their homes have been steadily rising in the local media.
In one widely publicised incident over the summer, a 14-year-old girl from Upper Beitar, a large ultra-Orthodox settlement in the West Bank south of Jerusalem, had acid poured on her face and body in what is believed to have been the work of a modesty patrol.
The girl told a paramedic treating her that she had been repeatedly threatened before the attack. According to local media, the girl was wearing loose-fitting trousers at the time of the attack.
Several rabbis have denounced women as immodest for wearing trousers. One of the most prominent, Rabbi Shlomi Aviner, ruled last month: “In general, a woman must always wear modest clothes even when she is alone and in the dark.”
Last week an ultra-Orthodox man, Elhanan Buzaglo, was indicted on suspicion of breaking into the home of a woman in an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood of Jerusalem along with six accomplices, armed with a bat and tear gas. The woman, divorced from a Haredi man, was beaten and told that she would be killed if she did not leave the area.
According to the charge sheet: “The defendant and the others shoved the complainant, dropped her to the floor, beat her, slammed her head against the floor and kicked her all over her body.”
Other complaints against Buzaglo soon came to light, including an attempt to run down a girl with a car.
Inat Horvi, of the Religious Action Centre, associated with the more liberal Reform Judaism movement, said modesty patrols have probably been a feature of Haredi life for decades.
But she said there was a growing trend of religious extremism among the ultra-Orthodox, as well as more generally in Israeli society. “Older ultra-Orthodox women report that their daughters cannot wear clothes that they themselves wore when they were their age,” she said.
She said that in most Haredi communities men and women remain strictly separate in public places, with examples of segregated shops and even pavements.
The modesty patrols have also been running a campaign against MP3 players, threatening store owners and in some cases burning down shops.
Not all communities, however, are taking the growing wave of vigilantism quietly. In Beit Shemesh, a town west of Jerusalem whose mixed population comprises less strict Orthodox Jews as well as the Haredim, 1,500 people protested against the modesty patrols late last year, demanding police and the municipality take greater action.
The demonstration followed two incidents involving the patrols. In one, five ultra-Orthodox men attacked a man and woman for sitting together on a bus, and in the other, a family was threatened because their television screen was visible from the street. Women also say they have been warned not to jog in the town.
The key battleground for the modesty patrols has been the segregation of men and women on public buses, known as mehadrin or “kosher” lines. Modesty patrols insist that women sit at the back of buses only.
The Religious Action Centre is currently petitioning the Supreme Court to force the national bus company, Egged, and the transport ministry to end their official co-operation with the practice on 30 routes. Many additional routes are informally segregated, enforced by ultra-Orthodox passengers.
“We do not, in principle, dispute the right of the Haredim to demand segregated buses inside their own communities,” Ms Horvi said. “But our petition is designed to stop Egged and the transport ministry from using public funds to enforce segregation on services open to the general public.”
Ministry officials have washed their hands of the issue, saying the mehadrin lines are the outcome of agreements between Egged and the Haredim. However, the court has ordered a response to the petition from both Egged and the transport ministry by the end of this month.
Ms Horvi said a growing number of bus routes between major towns have become segregated in the past few years following demands from ultra-Orthodox passengers, although none is marked as segregated.
“Egged has caved in because it knows that the Haredim feel strongly enough that they will stop using the services and set up their own unlicensed bus lines. It also knows that in most cases the non-Haredi public has no choice but to carry on using the lines, even when they are segregated.”
A dozen women who have suffered threats or beatings are party to the petition. One, Naomi Ragen, a 58-year-old writer, has termed the segregated routes “Taliban lines”.
Hanna Pasternak, 58, an Orthodox Jew and feminist, said she has suffered a series of humiliating confrontations with ultra-Orthodox men when she has chosen to sit at the front of the bus.
“In one incident, a man demanded I sit at the back, but I refused,” she said. “The journey lasted an hour, and he didn’t stop shouting at me for one minute. He called me various bad names.”
Later he turned to other men and talked to them in Yiddish, a language spoken by older central European Jews. “He didn’t realise that I understood everything he said. I heard him telling the men that they should find out where I lived and teach me a lesson. I left the bus terrified.”
Not all rabbis agree with the new emphasis on modesty.
Israel Rosen, a leading settler rabbi, decried the Haredi tradition of omitting women’s names from newspapers and invitations. “Is there no psychological connection between the hypocrisy of concealing the name and hiding the face under the ‘Taliban-style’ veil?”
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