Thursday, October 29, 2009


Sighted on the English-speaking Arab blogosphere:

Saudi Jeans reflects on Lashing as legal punishment

I am astonished by the very liberal use of lashing sentences by our right honorable judges. Is this some sort of fetish, as Asmaa once said? Do these sentences say something about struggle to reform the judicial system? Personally, I think that except for the few cases explicitly specified in Quran, lashing should be stopped once and for all. No human being should be given the power to inflect this kind of punishment on another human being, simply.
And one commenter, Abu Layth, exclaims in response:
"Bro, lashing does not even hurt! I’d rather a lashing than years in prison!

It turns out the same commenter has a blog of his own. Apparently he is a convert to Islam and here he states his view of Halloween:

The Nabi ‘alayhis salam said, “Whomever imitates a people, is from them!” [Sunan Abu Dawud; authentic]

That should be enough of a warning against this insanity! Why would anyone even exploit their children by becoming a “good capitalist” and buying in to the whole celebrate everything we can so we can better the economy! Or why would someone dress up their child in a stupid costume, and parade them around like a doll? Why would people try and scare each other out of their wits? The list of reasons go on and on!

I find it disappointing to say the least, that Muslims are so insecure with themselves, that they have to imitate a pagan holiday so their kids can “fit in” and so that they can “assimilate”!?

Abu Layth's better half blogs at "The Muslima" who asks:

¿ How can I expect acceptance When I myself don’t accept?

¿ How can I call people to change and hope
When my heart is debilitatingly weak?

¿ How do I expect to be forgiven
When I’m so good at bringing up people’s pasts?

¿ How do I expect to be healed
When I help break people down?

¿ How am I a part of the solution
When I am a part of the problem?

¿ How do I expect to help others
When I don’t even help myself?

Words of wisdom indeed.


At 1:26 AM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

concerning halloween.....i agree with abu layeth

The Prophet said, "You will follow the wrong ways, of your predecessors so completely and literally that if they should go into the hole of a mastigure, you too will go there." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Whom else?" (Meaning, of course, the Jews and the Christians.)


At 5:26 AM EST, Anonymous Abu Layth said...

I concur with Abu Layth as well!

The roots of halloween are pagan, Muslims are monotheists, why then imitate their celebrations? We have our own holidays and traditions. That simple! Simply hang out at a halloween party, and evil you shall see!

-Abu Layth

At 1:16 PM EST, Anonymous meteorite in mecca said...

Many faiths, even monotheistic ones, hold some vestiges of paganism. Muslims parade around a rock (likely a meteorite) in Mecca that they kiss as part of their Hajj. Pre-Islamic pagans invented that ritual but Muslims still do it today.

At 2:34 AM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I hear this argument alot,all religons have vestiges of paganism.

so you used the parade around a rock as an example,where arabs used to parade.

By the way I wrote a long responce,atually the longest i wrote ever,but it vanished,nevermind here i will write the main points.

1)arabs before islam believed in god,and thought idols will bring them nearer to god,
2)prophet mohammed name is....Mohammed ibn abdullah. Abdul allah. his fathers name is the slave of allah, god. they knew allah!
3) in their poetry which is left,,,,,certinly they belived in allah or god....apart from the idols.
4)and most importantly......arabs before islam followed the reliogon of ishmeal....wich is a true faith in god. but got corrupted in time.

When the Prophet became ill, some of his wives talked about a church which they had seen in Ethiopia and it was called Mariya. Um Salma and Um Habiba had been to Ethiopia, and both of them narrated its (the Church's) beauty and the pictures it contained. The Prophet raised his head and said, "Those are the people who, whenever a pious man dies amongst them, make a place of worship at his grave and then they make those pictures in it. Those are the worst creatures in the Sight of Allah."

ofcource in the old times peope easily drew,then built structures,then asked these structures to ask god.......then.....make them gods.!

thats the true way the argument should be presented,religons,with time,introduce some paganism ...

The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar) and some men amongst you will be brought to me, and when I will try to hand them some water, they will be pulled away from me by force whereupon I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' Then the Almighty will say, 'You do not know what they did after you left, they introduced new things into the religion after you.'"

At 2:41 AM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and concerning the kaaba and black rock

if the arabs before islam held some good aspects, and muslims continued on those aspects,then its not shamefull!
we all know that arabs paraded around kaaba before islam, but they knew who built it "ishmeal"..,the wernt denying god, but the had idols all around kaaba,and some paraded naked.

as for the black rock, Calipha omar, the second islamic calipha. said while kissing it....."i swear if i didnt see the prophet kiss you i wouldnt,because your a stone that cant harm or help".

this answer is just to respond to the argument and not leave it hanging as if its true.

At 9:42 AM EST, Anonymous meteorite in mecca said...

"By the way I wrote a long responce,atually the longest i wrote ever...this answer is just to respond to the argument and not leave it hanging as if its true."

That you needed to produce such a long reply to refute the obvious shows you obviously can't handle the truth. All religions contain vestiges of what came before them. In the case of Islam, an amalgamation of pagan Arab beliefs conjoined with a distortion of Judaism and Christianity. I understand the sort of education you receive in your country of origin won't allow you to admit this. But someday you might realize the truth of which I speak (write).

At 11:12 AM EST, Blogger The Contentious Centrist said...

The problem with anonymous's explanations is the inability to differentiate between myths and historical records, between what the holy scriptures enjoin and what historical records and archeological findings suggest.

Anon seems to believe that accepting the pagan roots of Islam is somehow demeaning to the religion and diminishes Muslims. He could overcome this difficulty by coming to terms with the notion that holy scriptures were written by humans. Humans are fallible in that they have politics, loyalties, agendas which should be taken into consideration when we read what they leave behind. Alternatively, if the premises of the religion have to be present and considered self-evident truths, then anonymous should perhaps refrain from commenting or engaging with others who do not hold the same reverence to these premises.

At 1:43 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

(35) Most of them follow not but conjecture. Assuredly conjecture can by no means take the place of truth. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do. (36) And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.

noga i wrote what I knew without referring to a single erse from quran in the first post! although i believe its totally true.
I tried to bring evidence that support the argument that paganism is infact true religons that developed into paganism.

the argument religons have some vestiges of paganism is totaly wrong to me. innacurate initself not because i am a muslim or the issue of kaaba.

and even when I read once in an archelogy book that the found in persian documents before the torah the story in of noah,i directly didnt agree ith the sarcastic notion of the writer of the book who tried to convey the same message,that religons borrow stories from other civiliazitions. and he even tried to say that the story of noah was present in many other civiliazations in difrent forms, which means that this story is fabricated and the torah only contained it by borrowing it.

ALL NATIONS RECIEVED MESSENGERS and with time they change thats why youll find certian prctices shaerd in diffrent nations.


At 4:53 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what sort of education does this man recieve in his country.:damian thompson:

At 4:53 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what sort of education does this man recieve in his country.:damian thompson:


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