Conversation with "Peace in our time " True Believer
“Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power.”
―
Eric Hoffer
An example in how shallow is the knowledge and understanding of a presumably Jewish pro-Palestinian, Peter Beinart-BDS-style admirer. He cannot prove even one claim he makes by some kind of verifiable quote, fact or record but insists he knows the truth.
“Netanyahu’s public renunciation of a 2-state solution during his campaign is shared by the vast majority of his new cabinet - @jstreetdotorg”
Twitter Conversation ensues, re-formatted here for more comfortable
reading but can be verified here:
I: Any sane
person in Israel knows there can be no 2SS as long as Palestinians insist on
RoR (code for no Israel)
Ron: In 2008, before Netanyahu killed the peace
process, Palestine's leaders were willing to compromise on a Right of Return.
I: (2011)
Palestinian "statehood “will never affect the right of return for
Palestinian refugees” http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/Sep-15/148791-interview-refugees-will-not-be-citizens-of-new-state.ashx
Ron: You read
something in a Lebanese newspaper, so it must be true, it must be the voice of
God. No, it isn't.
I: That's not a
very coherent response. He's an official representative of PA speaking to a
sympathetic audience in Arabic.
Ron: The voice of God is one thing, something
reported in a Lebanese newspaper is not as credible as you seem to believe.
I: What's God
have to do with this discussion? DailyStar is a reliable enough source, the
speaker is an official representative.
I: I'm not
preventing you from proving in 2008 PA was willing to renounce RoR. Surely you
have some reliable source for that?
Ron: A deal between Israel and the
Palestinians was easily within reach before Netanyahu killed the peace process.
Ron: Because Israel has such
an extremist government, Israel must make a gesture before Palestinians respond
in kind.
I: You can't provide more than platitudes, because your position are
faith-based, not fact-based. http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.ca/2011/04/declaration-of-palestinian-rejectionism.html …
Ron: It is
not worth my time to do research to support what I wrote to you.Proving it to
you would have extremely little payoff.
I: The time to research is BEFORE
getting stuck in a position. Sounds to me you can't really support any of your
premises.
This is called the sour grapes
fallacy, my good man: http://mythfolklore.net/aesopica /images_townsend/170.jpg …
Ron: I concluded
that there is no convincing you, and that even if I did convince you, it would
make no real difference.
I: Conclusion
is that unless you support this statement: https://twitter.com/RonSupportsYou/status/596295268087177216 …
with any reliable quotes, it is a fantasy
Ron: I wrote
to you what I know to be true. I also explained why it would be a waste of my
time to do research to find proof.
I: What YOU
know to be true doesn't translate into "it is the truth". Clearly you
think it is a waste of time to find the truth
Ron: It is a waste of time to convince you of the truth, for reasons I already explained to you.
I: You can't convince by claiming the truth of " because I say so". Who do you think you are, Jeremiah?
At which point, Ron decided to block me from his twitter life. Case closed.
At which point, Ron decided to block me from his twitter life. Case closed.
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